Sankarshan Das: Srimad Bagavatham, fourth canto, chapter 23, text 17.

indriyesu manas tani

tan-matresu yathodbhavam

bhutadinamuny utkrsya

mahaty atmani sandadhe

indriyesu – in the sense organs; manah – the mind ; tani – the sense organs ; tat-matresu – in the objects of the senses ; yadha udbhavam – wherefrom they generated ; Bhuta-adina – by the five elements ; amuni - all those sense objects ; utkrsya - taking out ; mahati – in the mahat-tattva ; atmani – unto the ego ; sandadhe – amalgamated.

Sankarshan Das: This is more about Maharaj Prthu who is leaving his body and going to spiritual sky. Translation and purport by Srila Prabhupad.

Translation

He amalgamated the mind with the senses and the senses with the sense objects, according to their respective positions, and he also amalgamated the material ego with the total material energy, mahat-tattva.

Purport

In respect to the ego, the total material energy is sundered in two parts – one agitated by the mode of ignorance and the other agitated by the modes of passion and goodness. Due to agitation by the mode of ignorance, the five gross elements are created. Due to agitation by the mode of passion, the mind is created, and due to agitation by the mode of goodness, false egoism, or identification with matter, is created. The mind is protected by a particular type of demigod. Sometimes the mind (manah) is also understood to have a controlling deity or demigod. In this way the total mind, namely the material mind controlled by material demigods, was amalgamated with the senses. The senses, in turn, were amalgamated with the sense objects. The sense objects are forms, tastes, smells, sounds, etc. Sound is the ultimate source of the sense objects. The mind was attracted by the senses and the senses by the sense objects, and all of them were ultimately amalgamated in the sky. The creation is so arranged that cause and effect follow one after the other. The merging process involves amalgamating the effect with original cause. Since the ultimate cause in the material world is mahat-tattva, everything was gradually wound up and amalgamated with the mahat-tattva. This may be compared to sunya-vada, or voidism, but this is the process for cleansing the real spiritual mind, or consciousness.

When the mind is completely washed of all material contamination, the pure consciousness acts. The sound vibration from the spiritual sky can automatically cleanse all material contaminations, as confirmed by Caitanya Mahaprabhu: ceto-darpana-marjanam. We need only take the advice of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and chant the Hare Krsna mantra to cleanse the mind of all material contamination, and this may be considered the summary of this difficult verse. As soon as the whole material contamination is washed away by this process of chanting, all desires and reactions to material activities become immediately vanquished, and real life, peaceful existence, begins. In this age of kali it is very difficult to adopt the yogic process mentioned in this verse. Unless one is very expert in such yoga, the best course is to adopt the ways and means of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, sri-krsna-sankirtanam. Thus one can gloriously become freed from all material contamination by the simple process of chanting Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Just as life in this material world has its beginning in material sound, similarly a spiritual life has its beginning in this spiritual sound vibration.

(End of Purport)

Vande ham sri-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam sri-gurun vaishnavams ca sri-rupam sagrajatam saha-gana-raghunathanvitam tam sa jivam sadvaitam savadhutam parijana–sahitam krishna-caitanya-devam sri-radha-krishna-padan saha-gana-lalita-sri-visakhanvitams ca

nama om vishnu-padaya krishna-preshthaya bhu-tale

srimate bhaktivedanta-svamin iti namine

namas te sarasvate deve gaura-vani-pracarine

nirvisesha-sunyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine

Sankarshan Das: As I was previously explaining, this mystic yoga system was practiced in the Satya Yuga, in which one's duration of life is 100,000 years and this mystic process of yoga would take 60,000 years to complete. So, what's the question of having 60,000 years in this Kali-yuga? Even 60 years would be difficult. What is taken? 6,000 years is 60,000 years. But in this age, it's very easy, it's been made very easy by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Somebody chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. We are so foolish, instead of taking this easy process, we think let me go to a yoga studio and learn a few asanas and that way I'll become spiritually awakened. So, we have to give up this foolishness and actually understand in this thing it's not practical to do the yoga asana. Of course you can do it for the health if you want there's no objection. But you're not going to become self-realized by doing yoga asana or by meditating on the personal oneness. Kalau nastaiva nastaiva nastaiva. In this age of Kali there is no other alternative than chanting the Hare Krishna mantra. So, you may think, well let me make an experiment, see if I can find another way to become self-realized. You can try this and try that if you like, go on as long as you want, for millions of lifetimes if you want, trying to find a way to get out of the cycle of birth and death. Why don't you take the easy process that's given to you right now? This is intelligence. If it's being handed to you right now, here's the process of self-realization. Why don't you take it? Why are we so hesitant to take it? Why do we want to linger here in the material nature? Running here, running there, trying to enjoy this, trying to enjoy that. Why are we so foolish that we don't take this process seriously? Actually, this process of chanting is so powerful. I just read this morning in the Chaitanya Charitamrita. If one can chant the holy name of the Lord without offense, he becomes Jagadguru and under his influence, the whole world takes up chanting. You see the power of pure chanting. A pure chanter can deliver the whole world, all the living entities who are suffering in this material world, back to home, back to Godhead. So, the problem is our chanting is not pure. That's the difficulty. We're so lusty. We're so angry. We're so greedy. We're so lazy. In so many ways, you know, all these anarthas that are holding us back from shuddha-nama. So, I should be angry without shuddha-nama. Just like Bhaktivinoda prays. When my offenses ceasing, and taste for the name increasing, when in my heart will your mercy shine? Kabe habe bolo se dina amar; When, oh when will that day be mine? So those of us who are still caught up in lust, anger, greed, madness, illusion, and envy, we can take solace from this very nice song of Bakthi Vinod and pray. When will that day come when I'll be free from all of my lust, my anger, my greed, my madness, illusion, envy. When will that fortunate day come to me? Right now, I'm very unfortunate, very unlucky. Even though I've been given the greatest fortune in the form of the holy name still I'm running after sins and joy. We should lament our fallen position actually. It's very good to lament our fallen position and hanker for that day when I actually take shelter of nama and I actually become empowered to liberate all the living entities in the material world, back to Godhead. So, we don't have to invent a new process, we just have to take what our acharya has given to us. That's the beauty of Krishna consciousness. You ned not to reinvent the wheel, just take advantage of what is already there not to worry about how to make cookies, it's right there in the cookbook, just follow the instructions. So, you don't have to figure out how to become self-realized, it's right there in the Bhagavad Gita how to become self-realized, you just have to take it, that's all. We're so stubborn, we're so foolish, we're so falsely independent, thinking ourselves independent. We don't want to take it. I'll do it my own way. There was a popular saying back in the 60s, do your own thing. In other words, be independent, do what you want, not what somebody else wants you to do. I'm going to do my own thing. That was a very popular thing in the 60's, doing your own thing. So, let's not be stubborn in doing my own thing. Let's do Prabhupada's thing. Let's follow Prabhupada's instruction, Krishna's instruction, and actually get out of this quagmire. This is intelligence. So, when will that day come, when we become intelligent? Stop being so foolish like Mahamudas, like the donkey, the dogs, hogs, camel, and the asses. When are we going to wake up and stop trying to imitate these animals? Being foolish, foolish to be carried away by the modern nation. So, what can poor neophytes like us do? We know this is what we're supposed to do, but yet we're not able to do it. We're still entangled in so many lusty thoughts, so many lady thoughts, so many angry thoughts. See what can we, poor neophytes do, are completely still entangled in these modes of nature. Well, that's why we have to take shelter of the bona fide spiritual master. It's why we have to take shelter of the bona fide spiritual master because the spiritual master will train us and teach us how to become liberated souls. He has not come to cheat us and exploit us like these bogus gurus that simply want money, women and followers. The bona fide spiritual master is not after money, women, and followers. He simply wants to serve us. He simply wants to help us and save us. The bonafide spiritual master has great compassion. When he sees the fallen souls suffering, he actually cries. It's suffering that brings him so much pain to see somebody caught up in the modes of nature. He said, the bona fide spiritual master actually cries to see how they're suffering and wants to do something to save them. So instead of being stubborn, hold out, money, do our own thing, let's now align ourselves with the bona fide spiritual master. Whatever the spiritual master wants me to do, let me take that in my life and soul, however I can best serve the orders of my spiritual master. That's in the mood of the bona fide disciple. So, it's not difficult if you're sincere. If you have a cheating mood, it's very difficult. Don't come to Krishna consciousness movement with a cheating mood. Now you can get some sense gratification out of this movement. Make a show of being a devotee and get some sense gratification. Many came in that mood and they're gone. But those who came in the mood of sincerely wanting to please Krishna and the spiritual master, they're still here. So, if you want longevity in Krishna consciousness, sincerity is required, not a cheating mood. I think we have any questions yet? Any questions to come in? Any questions, questions. I think I'll go a little deeper into this people. Oh yeah, here's a nice one. I remember when I was reading it.

Devotee: You're talking about ego; you mean false ego. We think the false ego means he's really puffed up, he's really proud.

Sankarshan Das: Of course, that's a symptom of false ego. The meaning of false ego is identifying with your body. Ego means identity. So, there's a real ego and a false ego. So, I think I'm this body that I'm guilty, that I'm suffering, but it's false ego, false identity. So, ego in the sense here doesn't mean pride, it means identity.

Devotee: What do you identify with?

Sankarshan Das: In the material world, egoistic means he's very proud, very self-centered. That's the normal definition in material society but in Prabhupada's books we see here ego means identity. Of course, the false ego manifests in the form of a false pride, no doubt. False pride is a symptom of false ego, but false ego means identifying with matter. So instead of identifying with matter and being forced to undergo birth, death, old age, and disease, we should identify with the spirit, with Krishna. Jivera svarupa hoi krsnera nitya das. The constitutional position of a living entity is the eternal servant of Krishna. So, let's come back to our actual identities and become truly happy. You cannot be happy as long as we misidentify with this material body is not possible. Even if you're in a very pleasing situation, materially speaking, it won't last. You have young young healthy body, you have plenty of money, you have sex facility, they all think, I'm really enjoying life, but old age is coming, disease is coming, death is coming. So don't be carried away by some temporary happiness. One should intelligently see what is my actual position here in this material world? One should be intelligent and sober and see actually what is my position here. Look we have some questions coming in.

Visnurata Das: Is the roaming mind cause of agitated senses?

Sankarshan Das: Yes, absolutely. If your mind is not fixed on Krishna, it's roaming here, means going through sense enjoyment. That's what it means. A roaming mind means you're trying to get some sense gratification, even grossly or subtly. It's like some people meditate on sex life. They don't have to enjoy it grossly, so they try to enjoy it by meditating on it. It's a settling joy, thinking about sex. So, in this way, the mind roaming means you're not satisfied with Krishna consciousness. You want pleasure here. You want to get some pleasure there. Where can I find enjoyment? Definitely, the roaming mind means agitated senses. Agitated senses cause the mind to roam. So, you must know which way is it. Does the roaming mind cause agitated senses? Or agitated senses cause the mind to roam. So, you must know which way is it. Is it my mind causes agitated senses or agitated senses causes the mind to roam. That's an interesting question. Which way is it? I like that question. Just analyse it and think about it. Well, if your senses are agitated, your mind is already roamed. That's one thing. If your mind isn't roamed, if it is fixed on Krishna’s lotus feet, you won't have agitated senses. You see the natural position of the mind is fixed in Krishna consciousness. If it's not, then the mind can roam.

So, the first one, the mind, the only mind is the cause of agitated senses. The mind, away from Krishna, senses become agitated. Because, see, our proper position is to have satisfaction. So, if your mind is wrong, it's not getting satisfied in Krishna consciousness, therefore it's looking for satisfaction in sense gratification. So, it's the first one.

Amala purana: What cheating mentality can one have when coming to Krishna consciousness?

Sankarshan Das: Oh, it's easy. Somebody, when they see what is really, this nice Brahma tree, maybe I can get something going with it. Very beautiful young girl, maybe I can get something going with her. Very beautiful young girl, maybe I can get something going with her. That's one example. Not coming to see some nice woman, you might want to get something going with sex pleasure for example. That's an example of somebody coming with an ulterior motive. Or one wants to become famous or wanting followers. The Prabhupad told me all material desire zero. If there is even a slight desire for, I want name and fame, I want followers, I want money, I want recognition in ever being a great person. All these things are anarthas.

Paramahamsa: If one tries to take instructions of a spiritual master and to be selfishly trying to fulfil them, is that cheating?

Sankarshan Das: No. one takes the order of the spiritual master as one's life and soul, that's not cheating, that's the proper mood. Let me take the order of my spiritual master as my life and soul. That's the proper mood. And selfishly trying to fulfil it. Selfishly or selfishly? Selfishly trying to fulfil the order of the spiritual master. That's an interesting question. How can you be selfish in trying to serve the spiritual master's order? That means you want some recognition that I'm a great person by following the spiritual master's order. You could have some ulterior motives by following the spiritual master's order. That's why so many came and so many left because they had some selfish, selfish desire in their selfishness in the heart. They were selfish, they would never left. So many came and so many left, even big gurus left, you can imagine. Big, big GBCs and gurus

they left. That means there was some selfishness still there in their devotional service. It wasn't selfless.

Shivani: Obedience is good to the envious of those relatives who are eating meat, but are chanting and remembering the Lord's name without fail. The question is obeisance. Is it good to be envious of those relatives?

Sankarshan Das: Why would you be envious of them? You should feel sorry for them. Somebody's eating meat, you should feel sorry for them and the poor animals also they're eating. Eating meat means the poor animal was killed to satisfy their tongues, their lust. Why would you be envious of them, you feel sorry for them, those poor souls? So, foolishly causing a poor animal to be slaughtered to gratify their lust for meat. What's the question of being envious and you feel sorry for them. You have compassion in your heart to see these poor fools.

Hare Krishna Das: Kindly enlightened for a struggling neophyte. If he puts full focus on the morning chanting, does that one focus save him all inevitably?

Sankarshan Das: Well, if one is focusing on his morning chanting, He's definitely on the right track. That focus is very strong and you maintain that same mood throughout the day. You're definitely going to become free from all of the anarthas. The desire is to purely chant the holy name with full focus. You take that mood with you when you chant your japa. That mood will actually carry throughout the day. If you're sincerely doing your job in that mood of getting free from all the anarthas and manifesting Suddha naam, that mood will carry throughout the whole day in everything you do and gradually free you from all anarthas.

Bhaktin Sheela: Hare Krishna, Srila Gurudev. In the Purport it says sound vibration could automatically cleanse all material contamination. It says of all the senses sound is the ultimate source. While chanting, material contamination takes over, that comes foreground of subtention. There's less focus on sound. Please in line on how to understand this contrary.

Sankarshan Das: Well, the thing about the Bhaktin Sheela was so addicted to sense gratification for thousands and billions of lifetimes they were running for eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. Even though it's not like somehow the fish got up on the land and he tried to make all kinds of arrangements on the land. He became addicted to living on the land even though it's an artificial position. He became addicted to somehow trying to live on the land, get a nice house, get a movie star wife, so many things. You see. He's trying to make all arrangements to be happy on the land even though it's an artificial position. While

chanting, material contaminations take over. That's the problem. What is that verse? Indriyanam hi caratam yan mano ‘nuvidhiyate / tad asya harati prajnam vayur navam ivambhasi Just as the boat of water swept away by strong wind even one of the senses of Mr. mind focuses can carry away a man's intelligence. So, we're chanting, but yet we're not fully absorbing the chanting. We're halfway. Our mind is going here and there to try to enjoy in this way, try to enjoy separately. We're thinking, well, maybe unlimited nectar in the name. I'm not really saying so. Let me try to find some nectar somewhere else. If we want nectar, that's our position. We're nectar seekers by nature, so we're not getting the holy name. We'll try to get it somewhere else. So, there's no contradictions here. We're not chanting with full attention and therefore we're looking for satisfaction somewhere else. But if we can fully dive deep into the ocean of the sublime, ocean of the holy name, we'll get unlimited satisfaction. It's like the honey jar there, if you're only licking the outside, you're getting a little bit of honey dripped on the outside of the jar, but you're not getting the full nectar. Those who know how to put their tongue inside the jar, they taste the full nectar. So, I'm not chanting with full attention, that means I'm on the outside of the honey jar I only get a little tiny bit of what's in the honey jar. For those whose chant was in attention, was full attention, you see, was full attention. They get, their tongue is inside the honey jar getting the full nectar. So, therefore we have to yato yato niscalati manas cancalam asthiram /tatas tato niyamyaitad atmany eva vasam nayet From whatever and wherever the mind wanders, due to it’s flickering and unsteady nature, then one must certainly withdraw it and bring it back into the control of the self. As one many times give the example, the intelligence is the mother and the mind is the little kid. The little kid is running here, running there, breaking the dishes, doing so many things, passing stool in here, diapers. So many things the little kid is making trouble. Of course, maybe a satchel of diapers stays running here. But anyway, the point is the same. The mind is the naughty kid and the intelligence is the mother trying to train the mind not to be a naughty kid anymore that's the point. The mind is running here and there here and there it's not it's a naughty kid trying to get pleasure in this way, pleasure in that way. Surely there's some pleasure and some gratification in my things. Let me go for it. So, you have to intelligently say, my dear mind, just like the great Yamunacharya wander even that great acharya’s mind would sometimes remember when he used to have sex, when he was a king. So he gave this nice verse,

yadavadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa-pādāravinde

nava-nava-rasa-dhāmany udyataṁ rantum āsīt

tadavadhi bata nārī-saṅgame smaryamāne

bhavati mukha-vikāraḥ suṣṭhu-niṣṭhīvanaṁ ca

Ever since I've been engaged in the transcendental loving service of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna, takes a newer and newer taste in that service. Whenever I did my past activities, I think about having sexual intercourse with a woman, my lips curl with distaste and I spit at the thought. So there were past bad habits, our mind made sometimes to run back to things we used to enjoy and we are not devotees. See let me enjoy them again by remembering them. He had that problem but he spit it out, he said OKAY get out of here you are not welcome. I spit at you, get out of my mind, you are not welcome. Meditating on this thing or that thing, you're not welcome. My only meditation now is Krishna, and the orders of my spiritual master. So, when you see your mind is getting off the track and going to naughtiness, Loka, is it? Then say, okay, mind, come back. Get out of that dimension where you're trying to enjoy sense gratification. Come back, come back, come back. There's no nectar other than the lotus feet of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna. My dear mind, try to remember my dear mind, there's nothing outside of Krishna consciousness that can give you the slightest tinge of happiness. So, we have to intelligently analyse things and then train the mind according to what we intelligently understand. You get good by hearing submissively from the bona fide spiritual master, by reading submissively Prabhupad books. You can get your intelligence to get the proper understanding. Now we have to bring our mind in harmony with the intelligence. Right now, the mind is out of harmony with the intelligence. There I have 1 problem, I have another problem, I have another problem, simply because the mind is not in sync with the intelligence. So now we have to get the mind, okay mind, now you get synced up with your intelligence which is based on shastra and guru. So, in this way we have to do the needful to get out of maya. Isn't it? Or is it some pep talk? Is it fact or fiction? What do they say in Lithuania, is it fact or fiction? I'll tell you if it's fact, what about Lithuania? What's the point of Lithuania, fact or fiction?

Local devotee: I missed the point, what is the point?

Sankarshan Das: What I'm speaking is it factual or is it fictional? This philosophy of bringing the mind under control and there is no happiness outside of Krishna consciousness, Is that a fact or a fiction? So <indistinct..> says it’s a fact also.

Local devotee: So, you mentioned the problem is if we don't have taste for the spiritual things then naturally mind is looking where he can get more pleasure and the main problem is when mind is getting more pleasure in material things than in Krishna conscious things. So, what to do for such person who has more taste in material things than spiritual things.

Sankarshan Das: If anyone actually in such position, what should he do?

Local devotee: If he is in such a position that he is getting more pleasure in material things rather than spiritual although he understands intellectually that.

Sankarshan Das: Then one has to understand that my mind is diseased right now. Right now I'm suffering from insanity. You have to be your own psychoanalyst. You go to a psychiatrist and you lay down on the couch and say, my dear psychiatrist, my mind is doing this and mine is doing that. Okay, but you have to do. Psychiatrist tells you how to bring your mind under control. So, you have to say, okay, my dear mind. bhajahū re mana śrī-nanda-nandana abhaya-caraṇāravinda re My dear mind please now engage yourself in devotional service of the divine son of Nanda Maharaja. Stop running after this pleasure, that pleasure. My dear mind, you have one pleasure and one pleasure only, and that is devotional service to Krishna. There is no pleasure outside of this. My dear mind, you must understand this, you must be convinced of this, and now you must act in terms of this, and stop running here and there, running here and there, to sense pleasure. One has to understand it philosophically and then apply this to science. If you don't apply it, you'll lose your... I can warn you this. If you've done this, understand it, and you don't apply it in due course, you will lose your understanding of it. You'll lose your understanding. So, you have to act... You understand these principles, now you must act, you must train your mind according to these principles, otherwise your understanding will be pulled away, the modes of nature will destroy your understanding of Transcendental Knowledge, you won't understand it anymore. Okay, now we have Akuti Devi Dasi.

Akuti Devi Dasi: I have to focus first I have to focus first. I have to save myself or think about say well this is a very simple thing Prabhupada said physician heal thyself. Can the doctor be sick and go to the doctor's office to heal the patient?

Sankarshan Das: No, he'll make him sick by his association. The doctor has to be healthy first and then he can treat the patient. If he's sick, he can't treat the patient. So, make them sick. So, physician, heal thyself. Your first business is to save yourself. And then save others. But you can... It's not that you should wait for your pure devotee, qualified to see face to face, eye to eye, Lord Krishna, before you start preaching. Whatever you've learned about Krishna consciousness, tell that to the world, and then Krishna will give you more understanding. Tell that to the world, gives you, gives you more understanding. Whatever you realize, share it with everybody, and then Krishna will give you more realization, more realization, more realization. Krishna is saying, oh, this person, whatever realization he has gotten, he's now willing to tell everybody about it. You see, he's so eager to preach, he only stands a little bit, but he wants to share it with the whole world. So now I'm giving him more realization, more realization, more realization.

Anything else? We wrap it up. Yes

Local devotee: Gurudev, the last sentence, just as life in this material world has its beginning in the material self.

Sankarshan Das: Is this in today's verse, today’s verse?

Local devotee: Yes.

Sankaarshan Das: Let me find it so I can read along.

Local devotee: The last sentence.

Sankarshan Das: Where is it near the end or beginning, what?

Local devotee: Just as light in this material world.

Sankarshan Das: The second paragraph, where is it?

Local devotee: Last sentence.

Sankarshan Das: Oh, the last sentence, okay. Light and its material world as its beginning in material sound. Similarly spiritual light has a beginning in the spiritual sound vibration.

Local devotee: What is the material sound?

Sankarshan Das: What is the material sound? That's interesting question. Sound is the ultimate source of the sense objects. I don't know the science of it but somehow the material world also comes in sound.

Local devotee: What does it mean material sound?

Sankarshan Das: Let's see but it's interesting because we know it comes from the breathing of Mahā-Vishnu.

yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya

jīvanti loma-vilajā jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ

viṣṇur mahān sa iha yasya kalā-viśeṣo

govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi

Brahmā and other lords of the mundane worlds, appearing from the pores of hair of Mahā-Viṣṇu, remain alive as long as the duration of one exhalation of the latter [Mahā-Viṣṇu]. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whose subjective personality Mahā-Viṣṇu is the portion of portion.

So, how does this relate with sound? They come from the pores of hair, Maha-Vishnu. So, it's interesting. Where do we read anywhere else in the material world coming from sound? That's the question. I don't recall anything mentioned here, but I can't recall anywhere else where it's mentioned like this. The pores of hair, Maha-Vishnu, we read that in Brahma Samhita. But, Sound?

Local devotee: It mentioned something in second canto, I don't remember if it's fifth or second canto. But I don't remember details.

Sankarshan Das: Yeah. Some of our pandits can do some research on this and send me an email about it. You have a good question, but I don't know the answer.

Local devotee: Gurudev, I don't work last 6 years at all.

Sankarshan Das: Last 6 years.

Local devotee: Last 6 years I haven’t been work at all.

Sankarshan Das: Really.

Local devotee: Yes.

Sankarshan Das: Okay. That’s okay.

Local devotee: Now in New south wales, in Hare Krishna school, they are looking for a Mathematics teacher. But they couldn't find any devotee teacher.

Sankarshan Das: You were the teacher?

Local devotee: Yes, I did engineering.

Sankarshan Das: You did engineering?

Local devotee: I did engineering.

Sankarshan Das: You did it or you taught it?

Local devotee: I studied engineering.

Sankarshan Das: You have a degree in engineering?

Local devotee: Yes.

Sankarshan Das: What kind? Master?

Local devotee: Civil, building construction.

Sankarshan Das: What?

Local devotee: Civil engineering.

Sankarshan Das: What kind?

Local devotee: Building construction.

Sankarshan Das: B.A. M.A or Ph.D.?

Local devotee: B.Sc. Bachelor of Science.

Sankarshan Das: Oh, you have a PhD?

Local devotee: No, Bachelor of Science.

Sankarshan Das: Oh, BA, BS, okay.

Local devotee: And then, because I had one son, I could not, I don't want to make my barrier from it, I want to spend my time.

Sankarshan Das: So, you're looking for a teacher, you're thinking about going there to teach?

Local devotee: No, I did a lecture on diploma and education, I was a teacher. Then I did a graduate diploma in education.

Sankarshan Das: So, you are trained as a teacher also?

Local devotee: Yeah, I am a high school maths teacher.

Sankarshan Das: So, you want to go there and teach? New south wales, is it?

Local devotee: Yes, Hare Krishna school.

Sankarshan Das: Do you want to go?

Local devotee: No, interview.

Sankarshan Das: Do you want to go?

Local devotee: No. I like to go.

Sankarshan Das: Why? It's devotional service and you can go.

Local devotee: Yes, they need some devotional service. It's devotional service?

Sankarshan Das: So, you go to a devotional school?

Local devotee: Yes, a devotional school.

Sankarshan Das: In other words, kids go to a devotional school instead of a karmic school. Yeah, you can go, certainly go.

Okay, we have more questions coming in now. Let's see. Hmm. Okay, Guruvandana.

Guruvandana: Does the last line mean crying of a child?

Sankarshan Das: Does that material sound again? I mean, interesting question, the last line crying of a child. Yeah, I don't know how I had to honestly say I have no idea how this material world comes from sound material sound. Hmm I'm sure there's some verse somewhere that describes it. I don't know the verse. I can't believe. I don't want to speculate but even the material world comes from sound we read here so how that happens, I can't say some of our pandits can do some research and send me an email we can put it in thought for the day but yeah there's some sound vibrations behind even the material existence. So, it's an interesting thing to research.

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